Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Southern France: Purple Rain

Purple Rain

This is a picture from above of the sun shade umberellas covering the outside dining area in the hotel where I stayed. Each one is big enough to cover a table set for about eight people. These umberellas are really white and whilst I liked the pattern, this colour suits me much better! The original white version looked a little grubby and flat.

This is the first picture I have blogged which has been altered, so I feel a bit guilty - all the rest received only what I call digital darkroom work such as adjusting saturation, contrast, sharpness (mostly only these) one or two have been straightened and/or cropped with my best endeavour to show what I actually saw, albeit from my particular perspective and to give a pleasing image.

What are your thoughts on this kind of manipulation where colours are changed or objects are removed or added? How does this differ from Solstice Jazz where a motion effect was obtained in camera? - I never actually saw this scene. I know several of you play with colour in particular to give great images - most notably Lara.


Blogger Ronalyn said...

Just stunningly gorgeous! I love it! Well I think altering a photo a little to try and create what your initial vision was is defintely okay. I'm no pro.. but sometimes what I get after I take a shot may require a bit of Photoshop to reveal what I really wanted to capture (does that even make sense..) I think photography is an art, like any art.. we add a little, take away a little, to make it our own. And thats what you did here.. you were trying to share the image that was in your creative mind! Awesome!

29/6/05 06:13  
Blogger Califfoto said...

Completely agree with Ronalyn. Art is what you make others see (or think) what you want to express. I saw a documentary on Ansel Adams recently. Sometimes, he printed some of his shot more than 75 times until he obtained the effect he wanted. Photoshop or other editing softwares just offer a "digital" dark room to everyone, not only professionals. I personnaly use CS to change contrast, etc. Anyway, I love what you present here. Looking forward for more...

29/6/05 06:50  
Blogger Nish said...

Awesome shot!

it really doesnt matter how you change you images, some people dont call it photography but i dont really care. what is important is how you want people to see what you have in your mind.

29/6/05 10:15  
Blogger Sathish N said...

Its bful..

As for as blogging.. I feel its fine to edit it.. I do it few times with birds.. :-)

29/6/05 10:38  
Blogger ChickyBabe said...

Stunning colour and composition! Digital photgraphy just makes us try different things. Can't resist that temptation!

29/6/05 11:42  
Blogger Potpourri said...

Ian, like you I also feel guilty when I alter my photos with PS, other than just cropping or adjusting the contrast, saturation. I personally dont like "tampering" with the original shot too much that it looks a lot different from what it was..improvements are ok but not total transformations. But then thats me :)
This looks good with this colour, I wonder how the white umbrellas looked like !?!?

29/6/05 13:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many people I know find my manipulation of digital images disturbing. In workshops I have taught, the word “unethical” has even been used. Behind the fears is the view—held faithfully by people who are not photographers—that a photograph is an unmediated representation of reality. This is naïve. The act of placing a photographic frame around objects we observe is itself a distortion. It decontextualizes the object, both spatially and temporally. Today, I posted a black & white on my own blog—more distortion. Altering contrast or saturation, or cloning objects out of the frame is further artifice. If they are legal, why not change the color?

The question of what is legitimate must turn on the purpose of the photograph. You are not offering this as forensic evidence, or as journalism, but as personal expression. I say do whatever you need to do to realize your vision. Besides, I like purple! This is an excellent photograph. Have no guilt!

29/6/05 13:34  
Blogger Sidney said...

Well I disagree with the above. I think it is not very honest to post a stunning picture if it was totally manipulated *unless* you tell your viewers.
I think GN Bassett uses a good system. His pictures are sometimes BS-free sometimes not. If it is not BS free you know he messed around with PS.

29/6/05 13:47  
Blogger jane said...

Amazing purple!

I tend to use photoshop and other imaging programmes minimally but do use filters sometimes. When I do a lot of manipulation, I say so - but that's just my own personal preference.

29/6/05 13:54  
Blogger Jennifer Swanepoel said...

This is wonderful! I see no problem with manipulating images like that, unless you're a journalist trying to bring shame upon somebody. Painters often look at something while they paint, but they don't always paint the scene before them. We are artists, too, and our job is to create the image we have inside our head. It doesn't need to be for anybody but us.

29/6/05 14:15  
Blogger pk said...

I personally dont like to alter my image much except for the exposure correction and sometime saturation. I have nothing against it though, as far as its mentioned like you did.
Wondering how the white umbrella looks :D

29/6/05 14:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonderful abstract. But to solve the photoshop issue, you need to decide what you're trying to create. Art? Photojournalism? Are you doing this to satisfy your own creative energy? Or to portray an accurate representation of the world around you? Personally, I create images for me. And I use what tools are available to create something I like. If other people like it, that's great, but my main concern is me.

Now, if I was creating this for a client, that might be different, but nobody is paying me for my fotoblog. Your photos are great -- satisfy yourself when you create them.

29/6/05 14:32  
Blogger malinda said...

I love the umbrellas in purple.
I also agree with Ronalyn, photography is an art. What we see in our minds can be very different than what the camera sees. Half of the fun with photography is making others see things the way we do. :)

29/6/05 15:06  
Blogger Joel said...

It's exactly the same purple as the purple of a bishop's cassock... :)

29/6/05 15:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice job. I like the asymetry here.

Like a couple of folks have said, it depends what you are creating. If you're trying to reflect truth and reality then too much manipulation is the best tool for those who don't take very good photographs. If, on the other hand, you are trying to reflect beauty, colour or something more abstract, then manipulate away... you are creating something new!

Personally, I am always more pleased finding photoblogs that aren't too edited. Mute over Chromasia any day... it's like picking drama and doc's over action and animated features. To each their own.

29/6/05 16:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

color is great . the shape of umbrellas and color shade on the fabric are beautiful....awesome shot!

29/6/05 16:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all about visual works of art, one way or another you either like what you see or you don't. You at least seem to really enjoy what you do and, after all, isn't that what it's all about?

To me coming here is a moment of fun and thoughtful exploration.

29/6/05 17:53  
Blogger Suyog said...

This colour suits me well too compared to white! Great patterns. Regarding the usage of PS, photography is an art and irrespective of the tools that you use, the end result should always be something that brings joy to the creator and the viewer. This one does just that!

29/6/05 18:19  
Blogger mick said...

If you have the tools to create exactly what you want, why not use them? I shoot in color then convert the pictures to BW because that's what I like, there is no difference.

Unless you are a journalist then you should be allowed some artistic creativity without feeling guilty. If anything you should feel guilty if you chose to not do things to it just because you thought others might think you "cheated". It's all about what YOU want the viewer to see.

29/6/05 19:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stunning vivid purples!

Don't feel guilty about altering your picture. After all, your camera alters the the picture of the reality when it is taken (due to #of pixels, different sensors and such).

Edit the picture as to how you want it as you like it to be portrayed and you can't go wrong!

29/6/05 20:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see any problem with altering a photo like you've done here. If your not taking a shot for archival or court room purposes, I say do what you want with it :)

This is one issue thats received a lot of attention since digital photography & photoshop. I take the stance that we are creating art. Something pleasing to people who see it. If you have a boring flat image that is technically perfect, and untouched nobody will want to see it.

29/6/05 21:05  
Blogger Ezequiel Mesquita said...

Well, I don't expected "Ian's purples", but it's a very interesting shot. The purple color adds to the mood. Lovely.

29/6/05 21:17  
Blogger vishnoi said...

gorgeous! and stunning! and a lot of purple :)

30/6/05 01:12  
Blogger makuahine said...

Whoa that is a lot of purple!

If you hadn't said you edited that, I think you would have fooled me! :)

30/6/05 03:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting comments. I use PS mainly for cropping and adjustments in exposure. sometimes i tweak the colours a little bit--but not too much. i am not against photo-editing but personally, i would prefer it if it wasnt necessary to edit the photos I've taken.

30/6/05 05:57  
Blogger ian said...

Thank you all for your comments on the picture and the whole philosophy of photography - a most interesting discussion

30/6/05 07:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The camera is a tool, film (if you use it) is a tool, the computer is a tool. I say use all the tools you have to create the passion your heart craves.

30/6/05 16:12  
Blogger Kim said...

This was an interesting discussion and I think it's obvious that people will never agree but I thought with art there weren't any "rules" or confines (except obviously copying). I love the purple and the textures. Your photographs are very inspiring.

30/6/05 18:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great shot and allot better than a boring white, I heard 98% of everything you see in magazines have gone through Photoshop. I usually let people know I photoshoped a picture except for level corrections. A reparable developer does that in the darkroom so it’s perfectly natural to so digitally.

30/6/05 18:30  
Blogger .bk said...

I agree with kim and a few others around here. Creating art - to speak with David's words - is a process, it's about experimentation, trial and error, evoking reaction and the like. What I like about photography is that we are able to see the world with other people's eyes and other people's imagination.

30/6/05 21:42  
Blogger jkirlin said...

If they don't make this this color, they SHOULD. :)

2/7/05 21:26  
Blogger KMJ said...

Hi Timurilenk,
Sorry to get into the conversation so late. And I haven't read any of the 31 other comments... But here's my 2 cents:

I think that the artist should choose to show his/her work as they would like it to be seen. There is definite value in photography that is a "true" representation of the object as seen in the snapshot of your mind. As my husband has said, it shows good photographic skill if you can see it, frame it, get the settings right and shoot it to be good without manipulation or even cropping. I like the challenge that provides, and he's right -- you only learn technique and precision from doing. Still, if you want to show something that is "more than" the actual object -- I'm all for the creativity and vision that it allows. After all, it's your story to tell. Tell it factually, or with flavor -- as you desire. You're the storyteller. ;)

2/7/05 23:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You did a great job in the manipulation of the color. Nice pattern, too. Very nice!

Abe of

3/7/05 20:54  

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